Rebuttal and my Response Follows:
From: alicia bobulinski <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: Alex Senape <email@example.com>
Cc: Kelly Wildinge <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:45:17 AM
Subject: Show me your
Alex, I am sorry you feel that way.
When the people from England came here, just as the new immigrants are coming here, they also are looking for a better life. The English however felt they discovered an new land, I think the Native Americans were not looking to be discovered. The English didn’t bother to learn their language they just proceeded to massacre and lie to them. But hey the strongest survive. The Mexicans as we are now called then some were married to the Indians, but the English said we were savages just as the English said about the Africans that were brought here. The English people justified the slaughter, the cruelty the inhumane treatment of the non-white by saying that they (English) are better than the other people of color.
The new wave of immigrants came here and if they were healthy they could stay, there was no legal or illegal to it. Every new wave of immigrants by the third generation have forgotten their original language. There are many Latinos who no longer know how to speak Spanish. The Cubans are a little different, because of the political understanding between the U.S. , and Cuba, they just have to touch the U.S. Solid and they are parolees for a year. Then they begin the process to become citizens if they want to. So get angry at this government for their agreement with Cuba. Maybe they know they really messed the poor people up.
Remember that 1/3 of this country was Mexico’s, which in part was won and in part was stolen. The “Americans” were really Mexicans because they had taken an oath to be Mexicans so that land could be given to them. So these English traitors turned on their country, but this must be ok, because it seems that the English like to lie as they did to the Indians. After the Treaty of Guadalupe was signed it was rewritten to suit the English, but this must be ok, right, sort of like Bush/Chenney did with the Patriot Act.
There had never been a legal or illegal status to coming into this country. Papers were only asked for around 1948. It is not breaking a crime to come here with out papers, it is a civil offense. But why would you know that. The asking of papers was in part because the U.S. Government said that the Mexicans were raping the white women and bringing in Marijuana. Marijuana after all is just so horrible, as we know, because the “white” man said so, right Alex.
Now the U.S. Government knew about this recent influx of immigrants because they conducted a study before they passed NAFTA. It knew the people would lose their ability to work as they had done for generations, they knew people would go hungry, but hey the RICH don’t care. NAFTA/CAFTA has only hurt the common man and the RICH get richer. Maybe you should read a little more about the history of this land. This land is no ones it belongs to God, we are only stewards while we live.
The majority of the undocumented pay taxes with their I-TIN # but get nothing back. Even if you are a green card holder you have to have had it for 5 years before you can get social services. You may not be racist, but you are naive if you think that, that has nothing to do with the hatred that is going on. Look at your own people, the RICH ones, the corporations who are responsible for all this suffering that is going on. You want to live in a land where the police can ask you for your papers then go ahead and do nothing. Maybe you think that it is ok to go down a path where thing like what Hitler did is ok. As for me this is my land too, my ancestors didn’t sale the ocean blue, and this time we will fight back and maybe fight like the “whites” the English did. Alex now the “brown” people, maybe next the yellow or black then maybe those with tattoos, come on Alex open up your eyes. This fight is for the right of common man to work,
just like you and I. Divide & Control that is what guides this country.
Well, I am not sorry for one thing I have said.
Your rhetoric on this subject is not only uninformed, but off topic, as well. When people have no legitimate defense against a valid point or argument, i.e. Illegal Immigration, they always resort to a different subject. In this case, all of the history you have recited. The point I was attempting to make, which you so blatantly missed, was that of simply breaking the laws of this country….The United States of America. I will never understand why people come to this country, legally or illegally, and complain about our laws. You knew the law here on many topics, I assume, before you arrived. Who are you or any other immigrant to challenge the constitutionality of America? Have you ever been to Washington D.C.? Have you not read the constitution? The Bill of Rights? I don’t recall see any Juan’s or Jose’s on the signature page. You say it is because the “whites”, as you now refer to me, had “stolen” the land from the Mexicans.
I refuse to debate the history of who won what war and who battled whom.
The bottom line is that all of this happened in the past. None of us were even born. It has NOTHING to do with the Illegal Immigration problem we face today. Yet another issue you feel the need to bring up instead of trying to keep up with the current issues of today. Your remarks on Bush and Cheney do not even deserve a response. Yet again, another departure from the issue at hand.
These are the main reasons for the tremendous influx of illegal entry into the United States by the people of Mexico: Poverty, joblessness, poor judicial conditions, the lack of true democracy, guilty until proven innocent, (the opposite of a democracy like the US or Canada.), and poor schools. The poor are treated worse than in the US, there is a lack of government benefits for the poor and housing is insufficient. There is pollution of the water, terrible violence, and crime. Well, yea, I would want to leave too. But who’s fault is it that these condition exist? Not the United States. If America is such a God awful place that reeks of racism and bias toward immigration, then why are you here? There are approximately 196 countries in this world. If you do not like the laws here, you and all other legal and illegal immigrants, are free to choose another one and see how well your attitude is welcomed there. I’ll even list them alphabetically for you, if you like.
My husband can walk up to any construction job site and see that every single person working is Mexican. They are undocumented and illegal. They will work for $5.00 less per hour than most skilled carpenters will and that is what General Contractor’s want…..invisible people. No Workman’s Comp or benefits….no one will go running to a lawyer if they are hurt on the job for fear of being deported. They make money only to be sent back to Mexico to help their struggling economy. All the while, it takes the food out of the mouths of my family. These are not jobs my husband or any other construction worker won’t do….they are jobs being taken away from hard working American people. My husband IS the common man. He has the right to work and THAT is being stolen from him.
This was nothing but a good old fashioned debate, but you made it personal when you referred to me and my family as “whites”…..MY own people….the RICH? Since when are MY people RICH? Last time I checked, I didn’t own any corporations. This “white” woman was just RICH enough when she was helping to feed your family when you needed the help. Us “white” people were just A OK to drive your grandchildren to and from school. You didn’t mind us “whites” then, did you? And what did I get?….Not even a phone call since….AND ESPECIALLY from you ungrateful daughter. What a slap in the face to me, my husband and the many others who helped your family when you needed us the most. You said we were “angels”…..I guess that was wrong, as angels are “white”.
You talk about my hated toward Mexicans, yet all I hear from you is how the “whites” were so awful toward the people of Mexico. How could you possibly speak so vile about the “whites”? You married the whitest guy I have ever met. Bob plays Santa Claus every year for Christ’s sake.
I guess this “white” woman is just another racist who refuses to sit on the sidelines and watch this country disintegrate in front of my eyes. Funny how I never once referred to you a “mexicans”. The last time I checked, the “brown” people have already revolted and America has already changed to accommodate them. And the tattoo comment….really? You have nothing even remotely intelligent or intersting to say that I would even care to listen to.
As for Divide and Control…..well, you can thank our new president for that.
For myself, I should have never fallen for your “pity me” attitude….your false religion while you referred to me quietly behind my back as “whitey”. You seem quite capable of holding your own….and holding a job. You are not the person I thought you were. I don’t recognize the person I heard from today. You really have it down pat….I thought I was smarter than to fall for such a con artist. That is the only thing I have learned from you.
Never trust anyone until they have earned it.
Don’t try to lecture me on how I know so much more now. About how you are glad I wrote what I did…why? So you could school me in a lame ass history lesson that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Illegal immigration. Say it three times. I know it’s a tongue twister, but do your best to keep it apart from my new “learning experience”. It was so very kind of you to send this to all of my other friends. Too bad you’re too little to late….you’re ignorance is on Facebook, MySpace and my personal blog.